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Discussion in 'RGB Lights - Intelligent Pixels and 3-Channel RGB' started by Nick Cosper, Oct 25, 2014.

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    Nick Cosper New Elf

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    Can't seem to figure this one out.
    I am running some 12vdc pixels, three LED's per pixel and I cannot get the power injection to not mess up the display. The pixels are ws2812's, three wire. Some are rectangular pixels some are 5m strips. I have the common pigtails that holiday coro/Ray wu sells along with the T's for power injection.


    When I run power to the middle of a string the pixels going out from that point go screwy, flickering and staying on all the time. After about 30 pixels the rest of the lights will work well. If I run it to the end of the string it seems to work fine as long as the string is very long, like 2+ full 5m strips connected together. When I run these through the 3 bulb rectangular pixels the voltage drops out after about 50 pixels and the remaining lights stay off. On those if I inject at the end the entire string turns off. I can get them to work by cutting the power that is going into the last 30 pixels and leaving only power going into the end but it seems as though I occasionally get a bulb stuck on or something strange.


    I have tried injecting power with different 12 v converters, the same on that is running the controller, short runs of wire, long runs. I seem to get the same results with them all.
    I have a bunch of 5v strips and I've never had any problem injecting power to them, the 12v just don't seem to want to cooperate.
     
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    I would check that the T's in particular don't have something screwy happening with them. The very 1st one of these that I touched had an internal short. Using another T immediately beside your injection point would allow you to measure the voltage with a multimeter to check that you are getting 12V or pretty close to it.
    Do you want to elaborate on what you're meaning by different 12V converters. I can't work out if you're meaning different 12V power supplies or a 24->12V buck converter or similar. A drawing of how you're connecting things up may help as well.
     
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    At the bris mini this year superman had some of these t connectors- all of which had failures.
     
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    By mentioning different 12vdc converters I mean that I have 4 of them, one runs half of my ecg p12r board, another the other half. I have some long runs so I also have a couple closer to the strings for power at the ends of those.


    I was suspecting the t connectors also. I just connected one by simply putting it in between two connectors and leaving one of the ports open. Then swapped out the on e open one to make sure that one port didn't have a failure. When I did this I didn't see any issues with the end results. I guess it could be the connector still but it didn't fail by using it inline on the in side of the connection.


    I'll see if I can draw up the wiring, but overall its very simple. 3 3m strips, connected at one end from a ecg p12r. Between strips I have connectors and when using a T it messes up the next 10-30 pixels.


    The other pixels are a bit tougher to explain so I'll try and draw it up.
     
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    Here is the diagram. One thing I forgot to add is power injection is run from the same power transformer as the controller. I've tried a second transformer but results were the same.
     

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    How can I know everything same you?
     
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    definitely check all the plugs and esp. the Ts that they are wired correctly. I always measure every one with a multimeter to make sure the correct wires are connected and that there are no shorts. I just use two known good plugs (one female one male) and plug the new one in and measure between all the wires. only the same color set should have connection
     
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    After some trial and error I had all but eliminated the t's as the problem because I could reproduce them with just regular connectors for what I showed in the diagram. Today I decided to skip all plugs and just straight hardwire it. Same problem. Out of frustration I decide to swap the wires going to the power transformer and whalla.... it works. I then go back to the last pixel and the stupid this is cross wired. All that frustration and it was just wired wrong... All figured out at least but learned a lesson not to trust that the lights are wired properly.
     
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    Great you found you issue, never trust the wiring colours, ive had strings from ray where the colour of the wires crosses over 1/2 way through a string. But it was a good learning for you.
     

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