1. New to Christmas lighting? Get started with the AusChristmasLighting 101 Manual:
    auschristmaslighting.com/wiki/AusChristmasLighting-101

Software To run Controllers

Discussion in 'Sequencers & Software Tools' started by dmoore, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. dmoore

    dmoore Senior Elf

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    586
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, TX, USA
  2. chrisl1976

    chrisl1976 Apprentice Elf

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2010
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kankakee, Illinois
    I seriously agree David, we need more software options. There are plenty of pixel controllers already....we need software options to run thousands of channels.
     
  3. David_AVD

    David_AVD Bite my shiny metal ass!

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2010
    Messages:
    3,415
    Likes Received:
    46
    Location:
    Victoria Point (Brisbane)
    Find Me On:
    But how much are people willing to pay for the software?
     
  4. OP
    OP
    dmoore

    dmoore Senior Elf

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    586
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, TX, USA
  5. chrisl1976

    chrisl1976 Apprentice Elf

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2010
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kankakee, Illinois
    I have 50 cents, a paper clip and a ball of lint in my pocket right now. That should be enough.

    Seriously, we are to some extent pushing beyond amateur displays and getting into the commercial zone wiht our channels numbers. That kind of support requires serious development....serious development which costs money. You have to pay to play for that kind of support. You spending thousands on lights and controllers, is dropping a few hundred for software really that out of reach.

    Look at the Wombat protection system......serious development with a serious price Tag. Everyone should have one.
     
  6. David_AVD

    David_AVD Bite my shiny metal ass!

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2010
    Messages:
    3,415
    Likes Received:
    46
    Location:
    Victoria Point (Brisbane)
    Find Me On:
    The reason I ask is that hardware is relatively easy and fast to design (for non-amateurs) compared to software. There are plenty of people who could probably write the software, but the returns can be low when you look at the hours put in. Piracy (sharing) would also be a problem unless a reasonable licensing was used.
     
  7. chrisl1976

    chrisl1976 Apprentice Elf

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2010
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kankakee, Illinois
    Exactly...we all want it to be free, but in reality, it needs to have pirce tag to cover those hours of not only initial development, but the hours required to support the product and allow for growth of the software. I could see a $300 price tag and say $20 a year subscription fee for support and development.
     
  8. OP
    OP
    dmoore

    dmoore Senior Elf

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    586
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, TX, USA
    Do what is hard, not what is easy. Easy has been done. We don't need another Ren controller and the likes - we need good software. Sure, not as fun as cranking out a prop controller in a few weeks...this requires serious time investment but we'll have to make it at some point becuase we'll have a bunch of SPI controllers without anything to run them with. They can control piracy - have you seen copies of LSP or S2 on bittorrent? Or... if all these people that make and giveaway the hardware could focus their efforts we could get something free.

    And I'm in complete agreement with Chris on the WPS - something needs to be done with that.
     
  9. OP
    OP
    dmoore

    dmoore Senior Elf

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    586
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, TX, USA
    I'm good with the yearly subscription cost also.
     
  10. neilric99

    neilric99 Full Time Elf

    Joined:
    May 20, 2010
    Messages:
    295
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Irvine, the OC, CA
    Find Me On:
    Software like LSP does need development effort to support our growing needs and the kind of licensing that stops piracy is expensive for a developer to implement (look at Madrix and the Wibu-Key solution)

    I would expect software like this to be feature enabled so that the basic software can be got out to the masses at a reasonable cost (not free) and the added features being activated by license keys. take for example the Arkaos products, they charge E$700 for the led mapper on top of the base package. Yes these commercial prices are out of scope for the average Christmas lights enthusiast who is not in it for making money, but there still should be some skin in the game from the ones that do want to take their hobby to the nxt level.


     
  11. jstjohnz

    jstjohnz Apprentice Elf

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2010
    Messages:
    97
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Indianapolis, IN
    This is a bit like a chicken and egg thing. Once good hardware is available, the software will follow. But it doesn't have to be all or none. Controlling segments of pixels rather than individual pixels can still provide some very slick effects with minimal channel counts. With a single DMX input, my controller will allow you to have a 16-strip mega-tree (bellagio fountains, etc) with 10 segments per strip. And when more high-channel software becomes available that same controller will support up to 4 DMX inputs for full pixel-by-pixel control of 16 42-pixel strings, allowing for graphics, etc.
     
  12. AussiePhil

    AussiePhil Dedicated Elf Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,391
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT, Australia
    Find Me On:
    Jon

    I explicitely split this thread away from your request because the guys had sent it off topic.

    Seriously your controller is doing nothing more than the TP3212 is in terms of grouping etc, except you implemented a few more outputs. The four outputs on the TP3212 can drive 1000's of pixels if you grouped them.
    Also with a single RJ45 we now support in association with the EthConGateway products, four full universes.
    As for E1.31, the new TigerEth328 will support 8 universes, and that is just the base design.

    I say well done for what you have acheived but lets keep topics on track.

    The good hardware has been around for a while, 1000+ channel counts are not that rare... software however has not caught up as the large counts are not mainstream.

    I lot of the active members here are already in the 3000+ channel count arena and will only go higher, we have blown past the practical ability of todays christmas sequencing software.

    Phil
     
  13. OP
    OP
    dmoore

    dmoore Senior Elf

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    586
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Houston, TX, USA
    If someone is going to be doing that (strip level control instead of pixel level) - it's much cheaper to just get RGB strip and a DC controller (tiger48, LOR DC). Just sayin....
     

Share This Page